58: The Idolatry of White Nationalism with Jim Wallis

In this episode, Brandon talks with New York Times bestselling author, public theologian, preacher, and founder of Sojourners, The Rev’d Jim Wallis. Their conversation explores the theological implications of authoritarianism, new frames for understanding church unity, and the difference between optimism and hope.

Host: Brandon Nappi

Guest: Jim Wallis

Production: Goodchild Media

Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective

Art: E. Landino

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