The Leader’s Way
Join Brandon Nappi, DMin, and Hannah Black, PhD, on this audio pilgrimage from Berkeley Divinity School, the Episcopal seminary at Yale. Journey with us as we contemplate life’s biggest questions together. In this podcast, we interview leaders and scholars as we think through the Church in the world today, theology, leadership, and innovation. Join us on this pilgrimage, where we cultivate hope and find inspiration along the way. New episodes drop every other Monday.

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Join an audio pilgrimage into the heart of human thriving and the spiritual leadership needed to create a world where all of us can come fully alive. The Leader’s Way Podcast convenes inspiring conversation at the intersection of spirituality, innovation, leadership, and transformation from Berkeley Divinity School at Yale. We invite deep reflection on what matters most in life by catalyzing innovative action for justice, healing, and compassion. We explore emerging spiritual movements and celebrate visionary leadership in its countless disruptive expressions—in Church and religious institutions, in local communities, and in nonprofits, government, universities, popular culture, and the arts.
Episodes

Monday Dec 30, 2024
PRAYER: Guided Contemplative Practice with Brandon Nappi
Monday Dec 30, 2024
Monday Dec 30, 2024
Carve out 15 minutes of your day to center yourself in guided prayer with Dr. Brandon Nappi.

Monday Dec 16, 2024
43: Advent with Andrew McGowan
Monday Dec 16, 2024
Monday Dec 16, 2024
The Very Rev’d Dr. Andrew McGowan, Dean of Berkeley Divinity School at Yale, joins Hannah for an Advent episode. Dean McGowan reflects on his career as a priest, academic, and administrator and shares how the Daily Office helps him maintain balance in the midst of it all. He shares the “what” and “why” behind the lectionary and reflects on the Advent readings from Luke for lectionary year C. We explore the Advent themes of death, judgment, heaven, and hell and discuss how this emphasis differs from other versions of Advent. Dean McGowan gives us a crash course on why the date of Christmas is December 25 and closing reflections on seminary education. Join us for insightful dialogue on faith, ministry, and the deeper meanings of this sacred season.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Andrew McGowan
Production: Goodchild Media
Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective
Art: Ella Landino
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

Monday Dec 09, 2024
42: Immigration and Apocalypse with Yii-Jan Lin
Monday Dec 09, 2024
Monday Dec 09, 2024
Professor Lin tells us all about her new book Immigration and Apocolypse: How the Book of Revelation Shaped American Immigration. We think about Christopher Columbus and the New World, why there's a "new" in New England, New York, and New Haven, how Revelation's words have shaped rhetoric about immigration, how Westward expansion and building a wall fit in, and more. Professor Lin helps us think about how our new understanding of Revelation and the American imagination apply to preaching on Revelation, teaching children about Thanksgiving, and making the case for why thinking about colonialism is important.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Yii-Jan Lin
Production: Goodchild Media
Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective
Art: Ella Landino
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
You can support our work at https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

Monday Nov 25, 2024
41: Trauma-Informed Spiritual Care with Danielle Tumminio Hansen
Monday Nov 25, 2024
Monday Nov 25, 2024
The Rev. Dr. Danielle Tumminio Hansen joins Hannah and Brandon for an enriching discussion about teaching theology using pop culture (Harry Potter), trauma-informed spiritual care, and new frontiers in the theology of abortion.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Danielle Tumminio Hansen
Production: Goodchild Media
Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective
Art: Ella Landino
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast
Support our work: https://tinyurl.com/support-transforming-leaders

Monday Nov 11, 2024
40: The Inner Landscape with Parker Palmer
Monday Nov 11, 2024
Monday Nov 11, 2024
Renowned author and spiritual leader Parker Palmer joins Brandon and Hannah to explore the world of leadership and teaching. Palmer shares stories from his life, including profound mystical experiences, bouts of clinical depression, and classroom successes. The conversation underscores the importance of listening and trusting in leadership and teaching. This episode is a heartfelt exploration of the inner life of leaders, emphasizing the integration of faith, authenticity, and compassion in the practices of teaching and ministry.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Parker Palmer
Production: Goodchild Media
Music: Wayfaring Stranger, Theodicy Jazz Collective
Instagram @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast
Episode links:
Center for Courage and Renewal: https://couragerenewal.org/
The Courage to Teach: Exploring the Inner Landscape of a Teacher’s Life, Parker J. Palmer: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-courage-to-teach-exploring-the-inner-landscape-of-a-teacher-s-life-parker-j-palmer/12575744?ean=9781119413042

Thursday Oct 31, 2024
39: The Salem Witch Trials with Ken Minkema
Thursday Oct 31, 2024
Thursday Oct 31, 2024
This special Halloween episode focuses on the Salem witch trials with a focus on what church leaders can learn from this period of history. Dr. Kenneth Minkema—Executive Editor of The Works of Jonathan Edwards and of the Jonathan Edwards Center & Online Archive at Yale University—teaches us about the witch trials in New England, highlighting their religious and social contexts, the dynamics of fear and accusation, and the lasting impact on American culture. The episode explores the complexities of Puritan beliefs, the role of fear and control in the witch hunts, and reflections on how these historical events relate to contemporary issues that church leaders face daily of fear, control, and othering.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: Ken Minkema
Production: Goodchild Media
Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast

Monday Oct 21, 2024
38: The Leader's Way
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Monday Oct 21, 2024
Brandon and Hannah chat about why the podcast is called The Leader’s Way. We hear Brandon’s definition of leadership and talk about the courage, vulnerability, and commitment required of leaders. We hear Brandon’s vocation story and reflect on the work we do, offering continuing education to church leaders.

Monday Oct 07, 2024
37: Jesus and Empire with William Barber
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Monday Oct 07, 2024
In part 2 of our recording with a live studio audience, Bishop Barber breaks down how spiritual leaders are either prophets of the kingdom or chaplains to empire. He takes questions from the audience about the relationship between Episcopal tradition and moral demands, interfaith leadership, and leadership amid the military-industrial complex.
Hosts: Brandon Nappi and Hannah Black
Guest: William Barber
Production: Goodchild Media
berkeleydivinity.yale.edu/podcast Instagram: @theleadersway.podcast